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A True Leader?
Feb 21 2008, 8:31 PM EST
B. Hussein Obama Fact Sheet - Do you want this man as a leader?• In his book, he admits to being a reformed drug abuser, having used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine heavily during his teenage years to "push questions of who I was out of my mind". Hopefully he matured and completely ceased his addictions long ago and limits his drug use to nicotine these days (he is an avid smoker). • He refuses to wear an American flag pin on his lapel, as has been tradition for all politicians since the 2001 terrorist attacks. He explains that he prefers not to show his patriotism that way. • At a 2007 gathering of the Democratic presidential candidates, he was the only one who refused to place his hand over his heart to pay tribute to the American flag during the National Anthem. • He belongs to a Chicago church that promotes an extremist separatist black agenda (Trinity Church, led by Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who honored anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan with a lifetime achievement award), and when this became public, he distanced himself from the church and its pastor. Why would he hide his religious association with Reverend Wright and his church? • If you change one letter in his name, it contains the exact names of two of the most powerful figureheads of islamic terrorism. Not surprising, as his father is muslim – something from which he has attempted to distance himself. Being muslim, of course, does not make someone a terrorist, but given that the US is at war with militant muslims, you have to question why he is trying to bury his background rather than embracing it and openly discussing islam and its implications. PS - At least he is open about his hatred of the US and his separatist black agenda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QCkgg5Kjo and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmHtGQq-z_Y 20 out of 63 found this valuable. Do you?
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d-dizzle00 |
1. RE: A True Leader?
Mar 6 2008, 2:37 PM EST
but actually i would still elect him for president that does change what he's trying to do for america
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magician13134 |
2. RE: A True Leader?
Mar 13 2008, 11:53 PM EDT
I really wish you'd do a little research before you try to put down someone who has plans that, I don't know, might lead our country out of its path to total destruction. What does it matter if you don't put your hand over your heart during the anthem? I mean, come on: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/25/does-this-make-george-hw_n_88397.htmlAnd please pardon my language, but what the fuck are you trying to pull by pointing out that his name is similar to two terrorists? I mean, ooh, Rodham, Sadam, oh God, another terrorist! George Bush has the same first name as several serial killers, too. Not to mention his grandfather may or may not have been a terrorist. I will not say that he was, but I will provide you with the facts: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/240707fascistcoup.htm Take it or leave it, but there's less bullshit on that page than in any sentence of your post. 2 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MarvinW |
3. RE: A True Leader?
Mar 14 2008, 7:46 AM EDT
Actually, that picture of Bush was taken as he was moving his hand up... nice try though. When Barack failed to honor the flag, it was on video. That said, one incident doesn't necessarily mean a man is not patriotic... while a bit extreme to believe, you could be very tired and simply forget the protocol. HOWEVER, Barack has an intense and consistent PATTERN of disrespecting America. The failure to salute, the refusal to wear the flag pin, his trip to somalia to wear their muslim garb, his open admission that he wants to fight capitalist policies and restrict freedoms... these are just a few of the actions that show he wasn't just "slipping up". 4 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: A True Leader?
Mar 14 2008, 8:09 AM EDT
How can you say a trip to Somalia is unpatriotic?! Isn't that what we'd want our president to do? Make visits to places and try to keep everything peaceful? Isn't this country supposed to be accepting of everyone, the "Great American Melting Pot"? If visiting another country means someone is unpatriotic now, then this is not the kind of country I'd like to be living in. And if by "fighting capitalist policies" you mean making it easier for people to get health care, etc. then that's just stupid. And give me one solid example of where he said he'd plan to restrict our freedoms.
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MarvinW |
5. RE: A True Leader?
Mar 14 2008, 9:21 AM EDT
Visiting other countries = good. Visiting other countries and showing off a love for a religion who's militant sect we are at war with = bad. Muslims are *not* bad, but I'm not so sure that refusing to wear an American pin, refusing to salute the American flag, and traveling around showing how much you respect islamic ways at the same time is necessarily a good sign.An example of a plan to restrict our freedoms by fighting capitalism? The health care topic you mentioned is a good one. He doesn't want to simply "make it easier" to get... he wants to have government-run health care, where everyone pays into a joint policy and benefits received aren't tied to your contribution. If you work a second job and make twice the income as someone else, you get the same care as someone who has no job and is living off welfare. The correct way to handle the *truly* unfortunate people who are work hard but are still unable to afford health care is to allow the system to be private and unregulated and simply subsidize thier premiums through tax deductions or direct payments... same way education should be handled. It is noble and good to help those who *can't* afford more.... be it education, health care, or other necessities.. but the way to do it isnt to make everything a business of the government and kill efficiencies. Look at Canada if you want to see how socialized health care pans out... you pay more for less. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. You're shameful
Mar 21 2008, 1:12 PM EDT
If it were up to you, we'd all be robots, wearing the same pins, same skin, same everything. people like you are not only racist, but like the small town characters of a Twilight Zone, who are so filled with suspicion and fear for anything that is remotely different from your little town; That you think it must be destroyed. You paranoid, small-minded non conformists could do with one day away from FOX News, (The most unpatriotic, narrow-minded entity on earth,) I have more faith in someone of his background finding a peaceful existence in the world exactly because of his name...The death, destruction and pillaging under the names Cheyney, Bush, MacCain (Educate yourself about all the dead Navajo people via McCain) and yes, the Clintons too, and then I dare you to come up with one despairing casualty in the world that Obama is directly responsible for. But then you're too busy watching exactly how different people say their Pledge of Allegiance. God, it's scary to see who all votes out there.......
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MarvinW |
7. RE: You're shameful
Mar 21 2008, 5:23 PM EDT
Nice logic. I am racist, but you give no reasons for making this assertion. Obama, because he hasn't authorized any wars (nor could, in his position) is a better person than someone who has? The only uniformity I support is that Americans support America... I am proud of my country, what we stand for, and our long respectable history of great deeds. If someone isn't supportive or proud, they should go elsewhere... after all, one thing that is great about America is the freedom to leave if you don't like it. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: You're shameful
Mar 22 2008, 12:21 AM EDT
I have no doubt whatsoever that as commander in chief Obama would not only authorize, but lead an aggressive, fully informed and thought- through war if our protection depended on it. One has only to observe how massively successful a campaign he has waged, coming from nothing. In war, he'd have a competant cabinet of experts he has the good judgement to select, unlike the clown parade of "Brownie" cronies the Bushes collected Listen; If a bunch of oil, defense & weapons corp lobbyists pay big $$ to get you elected president, you're indebted to stay in perpetual war; whether pre-empted or not...like George Bush. Obama's 50 mill last month came from no one but the people...In $25 bits, like I've given. So, who does he have to answer to? Yup. ME. And I prefer peace to dead children. And you think THAT makes me a bad American? I am wildly patriotic, and have traveled much. I love my beautiful country and the very premise it was built on. And I deeply respect and reflect about "what we stand for", as you put it. So tell me how on earth, (If you've ever read the constitution; )you cannot understand that this candidate is in fact exactly a product of this wondrous, free melting pot of a country? My feeling is that Obama is the most honest person to hit DC perhaps ever. And it's sad to watch everyone so determined to shake up some dirt on him, because people just can't deal with the high road here. The fact that he's black or purple or blue has nothing to do with it. Washington's been so dirty and full of thugs, players and thieves...they're all panicking; That's one "angle" they just don't know how to play here. And if you think 911 was the result of a few Arabs with beards....Well, I'd love to educate you. You can start by searching "Thermite, 911, or Marvin Bush and take it from there. And then, we'll have an informed discussion about exactly WHO doesn't love this country.
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9. RE: You're shameful
Mar 22 2008, 5:37 PM EDT
Disliking Obama does not equal loving Bush. I think Bush has been a horrible president for being too *weak* in the war on terror and not lowering taxes *enough*, so you might want to reconsider what you've implied.As far as Bush goes - if your conspiracy theory is true and Bush started a war to pay back oil barons (sheesh!), what do you make of the fact that many countries signed to authorize the war? Were they all on board? How do you suggest the US and other countries should have handled Saddams repeated violations of UN sanctions over the years (the reason for the war in the first place, which is often forgotten by people claiming the war was *because* we knew we would find WMDs)? Lastly, I suggest you take some history courses and learn how failure to go to war can lead to more deaths than war itself. Surely when dealing with militant muslims, that is our predicament. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: You're shameful
Mar 23 2008, 6:50 AM EDT
I'm afraid Marvin, the spin doctors of major media have you eating right out of their hands. When the same special interests who profit from war have bought out every major news network & paper, there is a problem with the information you're receiving. They're working on the internet, but haven't gotten their hands on it yet. Unless you can base your facts on more objective, legitimate sources of information, there's no point. You could start with www.911 Mysteries and watch the film. Take the facts and come to your own assessment. The film is made by a conservative and is based on pure science. What coalition? Are you kidding? It was minimal to begin with, and even the UK has left now. The real militant threat to this nation is tiny, and there hasn't been a successful major terrorist attack here unless a US administration wanted it. This hasn't been the first terrorist attack used as an excuse to go into the big business of war, but it is definitely the most severe. And because I watched those towers being built and watched them blow up (and they were, "blown up,) I tend to take this one personally. I intend to spend my entire life trying to expose who is truly responsible for it. I really hope you will give the film a look. Just go to the site, and it will start. This is not some nutty hippie movie, but a huge, well presented vehicle of information millions have seen already. And exactly what the special interest does not want you to see. Take what you want from it, and leave the rest. But for God's sake Marvin; Get some real information to base your thoughts on. As for racism and your mention of "What we stand for?" Do you know what we stand for? I can't see how you can believe what we stand for, and justify racism. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.
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11. RE: You're shameful
Mar 23 2008, 2:23 PM EDT
You make no bones about being a conspiracy theorist, so I clearly am not going to convince you otherwise. You might want to look into the moon landing being fake, AIDS being created to kill black people, and OJ Simpson being framed.The post hoc logical fallacy that swallows your reasoning is one you will not likely shake, but hopefully you will realize some day that just because businesses may profit after an action, it doesn't mean they are responsible for it. Accountants and other tax experts profit heavily from our incredibly complex tax code, but this does not mean they are responsible for its creation. Food for thought, my uneducated friend. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: You're shameful
Mar 23 2008, 7:43 PM EDT
It is interesting Marvin, that you persist in branding me uneducated. I've offered several venues and sites to do with what you will; Though just a moment of your life would suffice;you bluntly refuse. A closed mind is a terrible thing and the saying I believe, is "contemp prior to investigation," is it not? if the tables were turned, I would humor you by checking your sources, (information hound that I am..) Because I do believe one must gather as many facts as possible, and I've come by my opinion over years of books, forums, film and discussion involving a spectrum of opinions. Hardly a teenager aping the empty chants of my piers. I think OJ's a coke-head murderer and AIDS is a proven genetically mutated radical immune-attack cell either derived somehow through African monkies to man or possibly through an earlier, imperfect polio vaccination first used in Africa. I am truly, just a very down to earth and accomplished woman of 51, with a family she loves, who's pretty much been around the block and learned a thing or 2. If you want to be technical, I am stockpiled with useless college degrees, with some post graduate college which I abandoned in favor of a chance to travel. Affiliated with Exxon, I've had cause to live in an Arab country and lived abroad for 6 years with some post- college in London. I hope you will reconsider and examine the plain facts I've offered you. Until then, one can hardly respect what you have to say about any of it! I cannot blame anyone for keeping their head in the sand about this though. Because it's so awful in it's truth, and the powerlessness against billionair entities is painful. These are very, very bad people. All I can do, is try my best to "educate".But I do understand the fear.
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13. RE: A True Leader?
Apr 19 2008, 4:06 AM EDT
To answer your question, Yes I am going to vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama no matter what people like you say about him. Besides you're probably a republican,a Hillary supporter, a green party supporter or someone who is trying to make him look like hes not elctible because hes black. You are a very low person. By the way, if you hate him so much, why are you on this website?
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MarvinW |
14. RE: A True Leader?
Apr 19 2008, 12:00 PM EDT
I am not a Republican - I am a Libertarian and I despise Obama not for his race or religion, but for his horrific policies that take would take away freedom and power from Americans.
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15. RE: A True Leader?
May 19 2008, 8:03 PM EDT
If everyone who abused drugs in their teenage/young adult years was banned from running for high office we'd have pretty slim pickings. At least he's honest about it, no "i didn't inhale" lines. By the way, you're not up-to-date on things, Barack had to promise his wife to quit smoking before she'd agree to his running for President. American flag pins-I'm sorry but these days when I see people wearing them my first inclination is that they're pandering to the electorate. By the way, I don't remember seeing Clinton or McCain wearing flag pins either! What proof do you have that he "refused" to place his hand over his heart. I've seen the photo but I've never seen a video with him stating "no, I refuse to place my hand over my heart". As far as I could see he was standing at respectful attention. By the way, there's plenty of video with him placing his hand over his heart while he leads the Senate in the Pledge of Allegiance. Is he a secret muslim or does he belong to Trinity Church? You can't have it both ways. If you change one letter in his name...I hope that was a joke. Because, if you're serious it's really scary. 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: A True Leader?
May 20 2008, 12:21 AM EDT
Your logic is that if someone does something wrong but is honest about it, it shouldn't matter. While you are correct that lots of Americans try drugs in their youth, you are delusional to think it is the vast majority and that there is no difference between someone who has and someone who hasn't. Also, Obama's abuse wasn't "run of the mill"... it was extensive and with hard drugs and because he was trying to "find himself". This is a sign of instability, amongst other characteristics that are undesirable in a president.Clinton and McCain absolutely wore the pins. Search Google for photos. It wasn't just Obama's lack of pin-wearing that is troublesome... it is the cumulative message of his actions and his reasoning for it. IBy "refuse", I mean that it was a purposeful attempt to make a point that he doesn't respect America the same way others do. If you read the US flag code, you will see why his refusal to follow protocol is so meaningful. He is not a secret muslim - he is open about his personal history and his intentions to negotiate with terrorists. He certainly was a practicing Christian alongside the racist and anti-American Jeremiah Wright, but that doesn't mean he dumped his sympathy with the Middle East. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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17. RE: A True Leader?
May 20 2008, 6:30 PM EDT
I never said it didn't matter. I only said it wasn't unusual. And yes, I feel more comfortable with someone who's not a liar. Also, the "extensive use of hard drugs" is your interpretation of what he has talked about in his book. The flap over the flag pin came to a head at the PA debate. I watched it in it's entirety and no one-neither Clinton, Obama nor any of the ABC newsmen were wearing lapel pins. I've also been keeping an eye on all news reports and have yet to see McCain wearing one either. That doesn't mean all of them haven't at one time or another. My point is, wearing or not wearing a pin denotes nothing about whether or not you are a good American. It's amazing that you can read minds. How else could you know that Obama was making a point or refusing to follow protocol. Did it ever occur to you that he didn't know the protocol. I have read the US Code. I looked it up foll owing all the flap about the National Anthem photo. I think I'm safe in saying the majority of Americans (unless they've been in the military)haven't read it and have no idea about the protocol. And to jump to the conclusion that someone who doesn't place their hand over their heart is making a statement is absurd. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: A True Leader?
May 20 2008, 10:37 PM EDT
You paint a picture where most Americans abuse hard drugs and don't know to put their hand over their heart during the national anthem. I believe that Americans are better than that. I would like a president who was comfortable with himself to resist peer pressure as young man and intelligent enough to know one of the most basic American protocols (go to one baseball game and you learn the one in question). I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying there are plenty of people who meet these standards and many more.A higher percentage of black men play basketball regularly than do white men. That is a fact. I am a black man, and I do not play basketball (nor am I good at it). I experience all the time people who assume I must not only play, but be good, because of my skin. I believe you are making a similar mistake by assuming Obama couldn't have been a man without a drug past nor ignorance about American tradition. Do you find this valuable? |
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19. You're Black?
May 21 2008, 12:07 PM EDT
Ha ha. Marvin, you scoundrel. When you said you were an admitted racist, assuming you were white, you made my blood boil. Now? What a sad joke this society is. And we are all, infected. Obama to me, is a true patriot & statesman. Ms Clinton has earned my malice, one sefish, self-obsessed and ego-driven act at a time. She is determined to try and weaken Mr. Obama's inevidable win by actually rallying the most racist population of the US on her ego's behalf, nd at the possible expense of the November election. I buy none of this crap about "toughening the candidates." She's nothing but a spoiler, taking advantage of the ignorant white vote. Sound familiar? Carl Rove's champion, indeed. As a woman, she's the furthest thing from a role model on earth.
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