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bojansaveski	The truth about Macedonia Sep 16 2008, 12:54 PM EDT Macedonia was never Greek!!! In 1913 Macedonia was divided with the Bucharest Peace Agreement, on three parts. Greece took 51.3% of Macedonia (the Aegean part of Macedonia), Serbia 39.7% (the Vardarian part of Macedonia), Bulgaria 8% (the Pirinian part of Macedonia) and Albania 1% of the Macedonian territory. In the period after the First World War and especially in the Greek Civil War (1946-1949) and after that, the Macedonians from the Aegean part of Macedonia (known as Northern Greece) were exiled or killed. We don't want anything at all from Greece, simply an apology from Greece and a recognition of who we are and what we are. We are Macedonians and always will be. God bless Macedonia and God bless USA. Post reply 22 out of 53 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: Greece Macedonia MACEDONIA IS GREECE SKOPIA WAS NEVER MACEDONIA USA
spetrovski	1. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 16 2008, 4:54 PM EDT republic of Macedonia was born in 1944 (asnom) during the wwII.I dont know why you are arguing so much . modern macedonia is one thing and antique macedonia is sommething else.the slavics are in modern macedonia and the antique macedonians are in greece.just be a good frends and dont fight anymore. Post reply 6 out of 27 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
aleksandarmacedonian	2. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 16 2008, 5:00 PM EDT Macedonia was a single geographic entity until the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. As a result of the Treaty of Bucharest, Macedonia was partitioned among Serbia, Greece, and Bulgaria. These regions are known as the Republic of Macedonia (independent since 1991), Aegean Macedonia (occupied by Greece since 1913), and Pirin Macedonia (occupied by Bulgaria since 1913). There are also small parts of Macedonia presently in Albania (known as Mala Prespa and Golo Brdo) and Yugoslavia (Gora and Prohor Pchinski). Upon annexation of Macedonia's territory, Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria began terrorist campaigns aimed at expelling or forcibly assimilating the indigenous ethnic Macedonian population. Greece and Bulgaria continue this policy today by denying the existence of the large ethnic Macedonian minorities within their respective territories and refusing to grant them their basic human rights. Click here for a detailed map of Macedonia, and to read about the "Partition of Macedonia" The ethnic Macedonians in Greece and Bulgaria do not wish anything more than the recognition of their fundamental human and national rights: the right to speak their own language; to assemble for peaceful purposes; and, the right to call themselves Macedonian without fear of persecution or discrimination Post reply 15 out of 33 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Makedonska_musaka	3. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 24 2008, 5:58 AM EDT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHTFs8BLmgE Post reply 3 out of 15 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
macedoniaforever	4. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 24 2008, 4:24 PM EDT you re in right macedonia never have been and never ll been greeck,allredy lives fasistic ords in greece,when constiucional system will be demokracy then greece will have in peace.We only want ours,solun,drama,kavala,kukus,negos,lerin,voden,kozani,dedegach......those are macedonians citys MACEDONIA SHALL RISE AGAIN.Pozdrav do bojan savevski vmrovecot od stevo naskovski:)))javise se izgubi:) Post reply 7 out of 28 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Dimis	5. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 3:26 AM EDT You are Bulgarians your heroes are Bulgarians the only common thing you have with Macedonia is that you lived there during the Ottoman occupation and been used (brainwashed) from the Bulgarians to annex that area. You do understand that FYROM enjoys a temporary good hand so another war will be prevented in former Yugoslavia. Alexander spread Hellenic language and belief systems not Slavic. "Yona" is a Pali word used in ancient India to designate Greek speakers. Its equivalent in Sanskrit is the word "Yavana". "Yona" and "Yavana" are both transliterations of the Greek word for "Ionians" (Homer Iāones, older *Iāwones), who were probably the first Greeks to be known in the East. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavana_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrian_Kingdom It is their mark at that time and place has nothing to do with the politics today. It is UNDENIABLE. And you can't claim that this was planted by the Greeks. IF there is a difference between Greeks and Macedonians This is clearly a MACEDONIAN creation. Macedonians where in control in India and Pakistan not Athenians or Thibeans or Corinthians etc. If they had an identity different the Greek or the thought that Greek identity was different from their identity they would not support Greek language and belief systems. Coins art etc. from that era are GREEK. Only the FYROM propaganda supports that the Macedonians are not Greek because it fit their needs Post reply 15 out of 22 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Malamas	6. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 5:25 AM EDT "you re in right macedonia never have been and never ll been greeck,allredy lives fasistic ords in greece,when constiucional system will be demokracy then greece will have in peace.We only want ours,solun,drama,kavala,kukus,negos,lerin,voden,kozani,dedegach......those are macedonians citys MACEDONIA SHALL RISE AGAIN.Pozdrav do bojan savevski vmrovecot od stevo naskovski:)))javise se izgubi:)" You "only" want your cities solun, drama, kavala, kukus, negos, lerin, kozani, dedegach (you have my city Serres forgotten) where a great many Skopians to live? Know like many of your Skopians in these cities live? I legend it you. With the last European elections of 2004 the party of the Skopians (Vinozito) received into these cities the following numbers: Thessaloniki : 231 = 0,07% Drama : 15 = 0,05% Kavala : 16 = 0,05% Kilkis : 6 = 0,04% Florina : 110 = 1,35% Edessa : 172 = 1,04% Kozani : 199 = 0,18 % So many Skopians live in these cities, which you want to have. Which happens then with the minority of over 99,9% of the Greeks, who live there? Awake up! Post reply 17 out of 23 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
master/historian	7. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 6:33 AM EDT At Dimis: You really are pathetic, always writing the same things because you only know what you think it's the right thing.Well let me tell you something, you can say whatever you want, think whatever you want, and even stand on your head if you want but the truth is this: Macedonia was NEVER Greek, or Bulgarian or Serb. So go and learn what are the facts and then come and talk. Post reply 9 out of 25 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Dimis	8. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 10:06 AM EDT master/historian i will reply with the same thing for the readers of this forum to see the trough because the trough is one and that is that the Macedonians when they want to India and Pakistan they went as GREEKS and i am waithing for you MASTER/HISTORIAN or any other SKOPIAN to prove me that they went as SKOPIANS since you consider your self Macedonian and the Greeks something foreign to Macedonia. So i will ask my question again and wait for your answer. Why the Greco-Bactrian_Kingdom and the Indo-Greek_Kingdom while they are created by Macedonians (Alexanders legacy) are considered Greek. Why the names on the coins are Greek, why the temples are Greek? I am waiting for your answer. As for you being BOULGARIAN Tribe i am giving you the facts i have. Post reply 14 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Malamas	9. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 10:15 AM EDT "At Dimis: You really are pathetic, always writing the same things because you only know what you think it's the right thing.Well let me tell you something, you can say whatever you want, think whatever you want, and even stand on your head if you want but the truth is this: Macedonia was NEVER Greek, or Bulgarian or Serb. So go and learn what are the facts and then come and talk. " If Makedonia were never Greek or Bulgarian or Serbian, why the people in Makedonia Greek and in FYROM Bulgarian speak? The old Macedonians spoke Greek and not bulgarian. All statues, which were found in Makedonia, are in Greek language and in one do not mix of Bulgarian and Serbian language. Your language and your writing did not give it at that time. White you at all since when it your writing gives? Or you believe that the Great Alexander was an illiterate. Or you believe that the Great Alexander of the Aristoteles learned the Bulgarian language. In which language Aristoteles wrote its books. Know does you it at all? Aristoteles was by the way also Macedonian. But genuine Macedonian and none from FYROM. Post reply 13 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Dimis	10. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 10:43 AM EDT i am giving you the facts you being a BOULGARIAN Tribe. 1) Your language is unrelated to the Ancient Macedonian language. Is a part of the Eastern group of South Slavic languages. Is closely related to and shares a high degree of mutual intelligibility with the Bulgarian and Serbian languages. Is most closely related to Bulgarian and some consider your language a dialect of Bulgarian. In the Ottoman empire you where considered Bulgarians just for your language. Also the majority of the of the VMRO leaders and creators they where Bulgarian teachers. "The organization developed quickly: only in a matter of a few years, the Committee had managed to establish a wide network of local organizations across Macedonia and the Adrianople Vilayet. These usually centered around the schools of the Bulgarian Exarchate and had as leaders local or Bulgarian-born teachers." Hristo_Tatarchev He moved to Thessaloniki in 1892, where he worked as physician at the local Bulgarian secondary school for boys. Dame Gruev The first two years after his return to Macedonia he spent teaching, first in his native village of Smilevo, and later in the town of Prilep. Petar_Pop-Arsov From 1896-7 he works in Shtip as a Bulgarian teacher and president of regional IMARO section. In 1920 he fully withdrew from politics and worked as teacher of Bulgarian language in Kostenets. He died in Sofia in 1941. Hristo_Batandzhiev He was a teacher in Bulgarian Exarchate school in Thessaloniki and Secretary of the Bulgarian Bishopric in the city during 1888–1911. Ivan_Hadzhinikolov. He worked as a Bulgarian teacher in Kostenets, Voden, Kukush and Solun (Thessaloniki). Post reply 11 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Dimis	11. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 10:48 AM EDT Can you understand or speculate why they centered around the schools of the Bulgarian Exarchate? Post reply 10 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
macedonONE	12. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 10:51 AM EDT "If Makedonia were never Greek or Bulgarian or Serbian, why the people in Makedonia Greek and in FYROM Bulgarian speak? The old Macedonians spoke Greek and not bulgarian. All statues, which were found in Makedonia, are in Greek language and in one do not mix of Bulgarian and Serbian language. Your language and your writing did not give it at that time. White you at all since when it your writing gives? Or you believe that the Great Alexander was an illiterate. Or you believe that the Great Alexander of the Aristoteles learned the Bulgarian language. In which language Aristoteles wrote its books. Know does you it at all? Aristoteles was by the way also Macedonian. But genuine Macedonian and none from FYROM. " To Malamas, Tell me why Aristotle was not a member of the of the House of Philosophers in Athens? Because only Greek speaking philosophers were allowed to be members. Tell me why the Macedonians were not present at the ancient Olympic games. Because they were not allowed, only people by Greek origin were allowed to compete. If Macedonians were Greeks they should have been at those institutions and events. But from this facts we can conclude that you were NAZI even in those ages. Post reply 5 out of 22 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
samuil	13. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 1:08 PM EDT "you re in right macedonia never have been and never ll been greeck,allredy lives fasistic ords in greece,when constiucional system will be demokracy then greece will have in peace.We only want ours,solun,drama,kavala,kukus,negos,lerin,voden,kozani,dedegach......those are macedonians citys MACEDONIA SHALL RISE AGAIN.Pozdrav do bojan savevski vmrovecot od stevo naskovski:)))javise se izgubi:)" Ahum.... You only want these cities and you believe that Greece will give them back just like that.... Sorry but that is imposible. For starters. "Republic of Macedonia" was born in 1944. Before that there was the bulgarian region of historical area macedonia, under ottoman ocupation since when the region was returned to the ottomans after the Neulie trheaty. Before that it was liberated like all other Bulgarian theritories in the threaty of San Stefano. From 7century untill 1944 - 46 the population of the historial region of macedonia considered itself Bulgarian. After 1944 by order of Tito and Stalin was invented the macedonism doctrine. Doctrine, proclaiming reborn macedonian ethnicity and creation of new "macedonian" language, based on bulgarian dialekt and serbian words and letters. After 1944 the ways of old Bulgaria and Macedonian Bulgaria was split in stand alone development with no relations between the two populations of one nation. Today macedonians have only one way for stabilization and preserving the artificialy created country of "Macedonia" This way is NATO and EU. But before NATO and EU. The macedonians must solve their issues with the neibhoring countries Greece and Bulgaria. First - Greece. Greece will not alow monopolisation of name that is presented in her history like hellenic history. The ethnicity of the ancient macedonians is not very clear and i think that the problem will be solved in multinational research with one single porpouse. To present the real truth about the nationality of the ancient macedonians. Second - the world must confirm that the present day macedonians has nothing to do with the ancient ones. For 2000 years the ancient macedonians don't exist. The present day macedonians are one mix from many different ethnicities and are 99 % close to the present day bulgarian ethnicity. Continues in the next post.... Post reply 5 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
samuil	14. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 25 2008, 1:20 PM EDT The previous post matters will solve the Greek - Macedonian dispute and Greece will slear the veto fot the path to EU. Second veto will bw Bulgarian veto. Because FYROM steals Bulgarian history. Like with the Greek problem, FYROM wants to monopolize comon history. Because the macedonian lands are for 1300 years in the borders of the Bulgarian state. Anything that hapened in this period is history of Bulgaria and the inhabitants of the macedonian lands were part from it. Again i want to say that the modern bulgarian and "macedonian" are ethnicity with 99 % match because of the ethnogenesys in the Bulgarian state in all this years. The genes are mix from Bulgarians, Slavs, Cumans, Thrachians, Macedonians, Greeks, Vlahs, Goths, Huns and Jews. May be others but their % is very small amount. So no one can claim to be ancient descendant or enyone can claim to be ancient descendant of every nation! Tomorow i can expect reviving of thrachian ethnicity in southern Bulgaria! My friends from "Macedonia". Stop that propaganda. It will not help. The only thing that you can do for the people of greece part of macedonia is to fight for some rights for them. But not like Mcaedonians> The Greece will not alow that because Greece know that these people are from Bulgarian ethnogenetyk type. If we raise the question for them as Bulgarians - the reaction will be cooperation. THERE IS NO WAY to ocupy theritories from Greece and Bulgaria without WAR. Remember that. Post reply 6 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
macedoniaforever	15. RE: The truth about Macedonia Sep 27 2008, 2:15 PM EDT dear greeck friend! dont show me your statistic,maybe porcent of macedonians which are declare like MACEDONIANS is small because they are afraid to say them nationality because they will go in prision or else.Let to EU komision to make election with foreign officers.People in greece with macedonian nationality when come i Macedonia they go in office in "macedonian world congres"that is ngo watch the numbers for macedonian around the world.IN that officegive signature 1 000 000 MACEDONIANS from greece,not bulgarians,greecks,serbs,but macedonians.Also i read you write that our language is bulgarian tell me do you have listen bought languages?They are diferent very close are bulgarian and rusian languages,serbijan and croacian are close also,but macedonian is similar but not a same its the reason for mix betwen ancient macedonian and slavs languages.My friend tell my did yours grand parents speks macedonian languages?Explore for your surname maybe you have macedonian roots-maybe yours surname in the past have been malmovski?I wana say if we people from balkan not open the borders we still will be savages for west european nations everybody:greecks,macedonians,serbs,albanians,croacians etc.When we travel in ours countryes we will meet each other and became close.bye my friend. Post reply 3 out of 18 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
macedoniaforever	16. bugareja e najgolemiot kopirant na svetot!!!!! Sep 29 2008, 6:30 PM EDT listen "samuil"that king destroid you kingdom and vizantion kingdom and make macedonian kingdom it is shame to carry name on your destoier:))you can see we say aleksander macedonian,and IMRO heroes are macedonian that isbit with your teory,how we macedonian steal yours and greecks history,Im very sorry for the facts that in balkans lives sucha negative,nationalistics and non regognizeg people.When we say that is our history that is it.Until we die we will belive in that facts from our researchig that is biblie for us.We say we are macedonians we will stay macedonians,i dont know what is your problem...maybe you have something to returne....yours deuce make your history...samuil boli koga od makedonec ke stanes bugarin kako ti,togas bolot te tera da bides pogolem nacionalist i od samite bugari:))DA ZIVEE MAKEDONIJA I VMRO....pozdrav:)) Post reply 5 out of 18 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
greecenumber1	17. THE TRUTH ABOUT SLAVIC-DONIA Sep 29 2008, 6:59 PM EDT The Truth Of SLAVIC-DONINIA ! THERE IS AND ALL-ways Be One MAKEDONIA AND THAT IS IN NORTHERN GREECE AND THESSALONIKI AS THE CAPITAL! THE FAKE STATE OF SKOPJIA NEVER EXISTED UNTIL1991 THE UN AND EU MUST WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!! MACEDONIA IS AND ALL WAYS WILL BE GREEK! Post reply 14 out of 20 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	18. RE: The truth about Macedonia Oct 3 2008, 10:03 AM EDT The hybrid Slav Monkeydonian ALPHABET was created in 1944 during Tito's regiment from 11 communists: Vasil Ilioski, Hristo Zografov, Krum Toshev, Dare Djambas, Venko Markovski, Mirko Pavlovski, Mihail Petrushevski, Hristo Prodanov, Georgi Kiselinov, Georgi Shoptraianov, and Iovan Kostov. It is FIRST time in history that a language was created from a dialect (BULGARIAN). So we have: Stolen alphabet from Bulgaria! Stolen grammar from Serbia and Bulgaria ! Stolen name from Greece ! MACEDONIA WAS IS WILL ALWAYS BE GREECE Post reply 14 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	19. RE: The truth about Macedonia Oct 3 2008, 10:09 AM EDT "In 1944 Serbs introduced immediately the Serbian language and when Stalin asked Dimitrov to assign Pirin to Tito, Dimitrov said But they have no Macedonian consciousness,to which Stalin replied: In 1918 we created the nation of the White Russians, accepted by everyone today.Thus the slavs (bulgarians)of Yugoslavia became later Macedonians by the Communist Party.But not by the international community. " MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS LONG LIVE GLORIOUS GREECE Post reply 15 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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