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paulosmelas	MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 6 2008, 10:09 PM EDT Skopian propaganda playing the human rights card.The massive internet campaign used by Skopian propagandists with sole aim to deceive the readers while misrepresenting and manipulating well-evidenced historical events to fit their petty nationalistic agenda.Each report from Human Rights Watch blaming FYROM for Human Rights violations is conveniently omitted by the usual Internet defenders of FYROM or summoned with the rather clumsy excuse of “HRW is not aware of the situation exactly“ The disconnected bulgarian minority in nothern Greece 3250 in all are so (suppressed) that they have a political party thats supports the extreme right wing leadership of skopia .They openly preach hate and racism and support war against Greece,some of them even work as civil servants on the other hand 200000 Greeks that live in skopia are not allowed to speak their language or organize meetings.Further more the allbulgarian language is forbiden practice.red map includes Greece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFeMR8rQ_JA fyroms prim minister promotes war. Post reply 35 out of 35 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: DNA PROVE FYROMS ARE BULGARIAN M.OBAMA FYROM IS NOT MACEDONIA Macedonia for Macedonians Macedonia is Greece MACEDONIA VS FYROM
paulosmelas	1. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 6 2008, 10:41 PM EDT skopian victim card It is sometimes hard for the unsuspected reader who is frequently confronted by deceitful attempts to believe false claims disguised to sound truthful. These series of articles aim to familiarise you with techniques of Skopjan Propaganda so that you become able to assess the strength of any argument you may encounter and thus determine of its validity. I am certain none of you has missed tens of Skopjan internet warriors whinning in internet forums about being the “victim” of an alleged Foreign agenda (the “bullies” labeled by Skopjan propagandists tend to change each time accordingly to whom they want to diminish) towards him and his people both in the past and present. In fact this soap drama has been played intensively over and over that is has becoming one of the most usual and predictable ways of Conduct from Skopjans during a discussion. The most important reason for this attitude lies in the fact that the mainstream mind in FYROM, has been imposed to consider himself and his people to be the actual, true victims of history. It has become an Inferiority Complex to the average Skopjan mind. In fact that is exactly how they have been raised to believe either by their family environment or by their educational system. This certainly pressuposes that being themselves the victims, the “others” will be usually portrayed as the “perpetrators” and will be somehow easier to diminish them. These two perspectives always go hand by hand and will always be a backward factor of this relatively new state. The worst perspective remains that the constant repeating of this action has transformed these people sadly into believing it.. Playing the victim does not serve as evidence for a claim nor it does constitute a substitute for evidence to anyone, except of the poor minds of the propagandists who use them. Reminder.Greece fought against facism nazism communism.fyrom Yugoslavs were communists and still are,Democracy will win. Post reply 23 out of 23 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	2. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 7 2008, 11:59 AM EDT "Ancient Macedonians were 100% Greeks. The Pella curse tablet(katadesmos), is a magic spell text, dating to the mid-4th century BC and it was found in 1986 in Pella. It is the only full text written in the ancient Macedonian dialect, clearly a form of Doric Greek. The low social status of its writer strongly hint that Greek was spoken by lay people in Ancient Macedonia, proving that FYRO"M" propaganda of "non-Greek" Macedonian language or the use of Greek only by upper class, is a big lie. " i am myself a Greek by ancient descend,Alexander I of Macedonia,in Herodotos' book Kalliopi. " MODERN DAY MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK SPEAK GREEK AND FIGHT AS GREEKS AGAINST THE ROARING COMMUNIST MOUSE FYROM.(never will we accept a compound name containing the term Macedonia)no matter the goverment negotiation outcome MACEDONIA IS ONE AND ONLY GREEK face it communist pigs. Post reply 22 out of 22 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	3. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 7 2008, 12:11 PM EDT TOP SKOPIAN OFFICIAL ADMITS THE TRUTH WE STEAL LIE FABRICATE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM06ypL4or8 Post reply 23 out of 23 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	4. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 4:34 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 4:34 AM EDT PLEASE GOOGLE INDO-GREEK KINGDOM............................FYROMS PRESIDENT ADMITTING THE TRUTH WE HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH ALEXANDER THE GREAT WE ARE SLAVS that came to the region 1000 years after the Macedonians watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkUK4JXC-t8" Post reply 17 out of 17 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	5. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 5:16 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 5:16 AM EDT SPARTAN DORIC VERGINA Spartan Amphoreus of 6th Century BC-Museum of Louvre Paris France. How do the (fyrom bulgarians in denial) ,explain that in this amphoreus the vergina star is represented as a symbol and it is created by spartans..???Let alone the date of its creation...... Post reply 18 out of 18 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	6. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 5:21 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 5:21 AM EDT "1100 years of Byzantine empire (325-1453) no manuscript refers to Solun makedonski makedonja on the other hand plenty refer to Thessaloniki Athens Grecia why? ottoman demographics from the central baklan region 1453-1912 show no sign of Macedonian ethnicity or language only bulgarian greek serb turk,why? serbian propaganda has made you deny your bulgarian origin grow a brain." Macedonia 1282 C. Jirecek, in Geschichte der Serben claimed that Macedonians were always Greek and all the area south of the line defined by the cities Achris-Skopje-Nissa-Sofia-Aimos-Messimbria was greek (also confirmed by other authors such as Th. Mommsen, A. Karnach). Hertzberg in "Geschichte Gamma page 184 1906 edition). said that in 1282 the popula- tion below the line Euxinus Pontus- Aimos-Kustendil-Skopje- Skutari was Greek, in tongue, in customs and working for the greek interests. Post reply 19 out of 19 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	7. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 7:05 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 7:05 AM EDT WATCH BULGARIAN TV WHY EUROPEAN CITIZENS ARE LAUGHING AT FYROM ..,,,,,,,,,,,....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sMQJPbuhKg Post reply 17 out of 17 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	8. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 8:06 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 8:06 AM EDT MEET THE GREEKS AEOLIANS Thessalians -Magnesians -Boeotians -Thebans IONIANS (Attic-Ionic) Athenians- Euboeans-Milesians DORIANS Macedonias -Spartans- Locrians-Cretans Rhodians- Aetolians ARCADO-CYPRIOTS Arcadians- Cypriots Post reply 16 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	9. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 8:09 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 8:09 AM EDT Dorians Britannica online. Dorians any member of a major division of the ancient Greek people, distinguished by a well-marked dialect and by their subdivision, within all their communities, into the "tribes" (phylai) of Hylleis, Pamphyloi, and Dymanes. These three tribes were apparently quite separate in origin from the four tribes found among the Ionian Greeks. The Dorian people are traditionally acknowledged as the conquerors of the Peloponnese (in the period 1100--1000 bc). Britannica online. Post reply 14 out of 14 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	10. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 4:56 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 4:56 PM EDT C. Jirecek, in Geschichte der Serben claimed that Macedonians were always Greek and all the area south of the line defined by the cities Achris-Skopje-Nissa-Sofia-Aimos-Messimbria was greek (also confirmed by other authors such as Th. Mommsen, A. Karnach). Hertzberg in "Geschichte Gamma page 184 1906 edition). said that in 1282 the popula- tion below the line Euxinus Pontus- Aimos-Kustendil-Skopje- Skutari was Greek, in tongue, in customs and working for the greek interests. Post reply 13 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	11. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 4:59 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 4:59 PM EDT Serbian-inspired Macedonism had as its roots a creation of a non-Bulgarian way of thinking for the Slavs in the region of Macedonia - a creation of a ‘Macedonian ethnicity’ that would be pro-Serb. This is evident in the way the Serbians referred to the people in Vardarska Banovina as either South Serbs or eventually simply ‘Macedonians’. This propaganda started in the late 19th Century and flourished under Communist Yugoslavia with the renaming of Vardarska Banovina into ‘The People’s Republic of Macedonia’ in 1944. It is also evident in Yugoslavian leader Tito’s choice of the local Western Bulgarian dialect spoken in the area of Bitolia to become the ‘Macedonian language’ in 1944. This dialect had differences from proper Bulgarian and could be easily manipulated and codified into a new language. Many Bulgarian, Greek, Turkish, and Albanian elements were removed and were replaced with Serb elements. Many Bulgarian letters were changed to Serb letters. As such the differences between this dialect and Bulgarian were emphasized and the similarities (although many) were purposely ignored. Communism (then) fueled, and state-sponsored nationalism (now) continues to fuel Macedonist irredentism from Yugoslavia then and FYROM (now) towards all its neighbours but especially towards Greece with its large warm sea port of Thessaloniki.In 1944 Serbs introduced immediately the Serbian language and when Stalin asked Dimitrov to assign Pirin to Tito, Dimitrov said But they have no Macedonian consciousness,to which Stalin replied:In 1918 we created the nation of the White Russians, accepted by everyone today.Thus the slavs (bulgarians)of Yugoslavia became later Macedonians by the Communist Party.As if the internal problems are not enough,Skopje exports genetic engineering and homemade cultural anthropology to its neighboring countries, "Macedonizing" anyone and anything that could be used by their propaganda machine in their effort to build A PAST THAT NEVER WAS. wake up Post reply 13 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	12. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 6:07 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 6:07 PM EDT Skopians your fathers were nazi collabarators at the end of ww2 they became communist zealots.Our fathers fought in ww2 the attacking armies of four countries simultaneously,Italy(facism)Germany(nazism) Bulgaria(nazi collaborators) Albania(facist collaborators)our ill equipped army resisted for 219 days,when the super powers of the time France resisted for 43 days, Poland 30 days ,South-slavia 3 days.Greece sent the hellenic navy to fight in Africa ,and most Greek soldiers countinued to fight as the resistance from the mountains.The end of the war was victorious for Greece,but a new threat appeared Communism.The Greeks fought again and were victorious for one more time,guess who were the losers.....you skopians bulgarians in denial you lost we won.What makes you think that we will lose this time,if the name issue outcome is a threat to Greece may the gods forgive our rage....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLin3lyDykM Post reply 8 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	13. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 9:11 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 9:11 PM EDT 1100 years of Byzantine empire no manuscript refers to Solun makedonski makedonja on the other hand plenty refer to Thessaloniki Athens Grecia why? ottoman demographics from the central baklan region 1453-1912 show no sign of Macedonian ethnicity or language only bulgarian greek serb turk,why? serbian propaganda has made you deny your bulgarian origin grow a brain Post reply 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	14. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 9:23 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 9:23 PM EDT Alexander the Great in the Old Testament Macedonia is not mentioned by name in the Old Testament, but rather it is mentioned as Greece1 or as a region within the Hellenic realm. Moreover, the highly respected Jewish Historian Josephus2 does not differentiate the Macedonians among the Greeks3 except when he wants to identify the specific origin of a person or persons. He uses the term Macedonia as a geographical and not as an ethnic term. The first historical book of the Maccabees4 states “After Alexander the Macedonian, Philip’s son, who came from the land of the Kittim5 (= Greeks), had defeated Darius, king of the Persians and Medes, he became king in his place, having first ruled in Greece.” Then, in a few paragraphs later it affirms, “Alexander reigned twelve years when he died.”6 And then, a few paragraphs below, it declares “He [Antiochus Epiphanes] became king in the year one hundred and thirty seven of the kingdom of the Greeks.7 Post reply 11 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	15. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 9:30 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 8 2008, 9:30 PM EDT In the New Testament Macedonia appears by its own name, but again as a geographical term, not as a distinct national area inhabited by any ethnic Macedonians. In the New Testament the only ethnicity the Macedonians have is Greek and that is consistent in Titus Livius’ History of Rome27 that states: “General Paulus of Rome surrounded by the ten Commissioners took his official seat surrounded by the whole crowds of Macedonians … Paulus announced in Latin the decisions of the Senate, as well as his own, made by the advice of his council. This announcement was translated into Greek and repeated by Gnaeus Octavius the Praetor – for he too was present.” The above event took place in 168 BC just after the fall of Macedonia into Roman hands. The same statement about the Greekness of Macedonia is affirmed on Fanula Papazoglu’s observations that, “Macedonia was a Greek speaking Province.”28 According to the Acts of Apostles29, the Christian Church of Greece started in Macedonia. St. Paul, during his second trip to the nations, was in the area of Troy, when one night he had a vision. Whether that vision was a dream or it was an actual vision, the book of Acts makes no mention. However, by all accounts it was a vision, and not a dream. The Acts state: “And at night, a vision appeared to Paul: There was a Macedonian man standing, kindly requesting of him, and saying, ‘Coming across into Macedonia please help us’. And when he had seen the vision, straightway we sought to go forth into Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.”30 The Bible does not state how St. Luke, the author of the homonymous Gospel and the author of the Acts, knew that the man was a Macedonian, since the man did not identify himself as such. Neither does it mention how St. Paul knew about the man being a Macedonian. It can be assumed that St. Paul told St. Lucas . Post reply 11 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	16. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 8 2008, 10:01 PM EDT The term Macedonia was geographical. The movement for independent Macedonia, which started far earlier (at the end of the 19th century) had an UNDISPUTED BULGARIAN CHARACTER and this fact is described by any contemporary (of the time) observer, historian, diplomat, nomatter what the skopjan propagandists claim. There is no need to rewrite history - it’s well described in so many books. There are many examples of 1 nation living in 2 different states. Furthermore, Macedonia had a rather mixed population at that time because of which the idea for independent Macedonia was more attractive for the local population than the idea for union with Bulgaria. The fact that the uprising in 1903 was a Bulgarian one and the fact that IMRO was an organization founded by BULGARIANS are descibed in all books (from that time and even in all books pre-1945). In addition, any claim from FYROM propagandists that this was an act of imperialism is downright silly, especially in light of the fact that the Christian populations of Macedonia and of the rest of the Balkans consisted exactly of Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians and no “Macedonians” as previously stated, because no distinct Macedonian nation had ever existed until its artificial creation by the Yugoslav communist regime at the end of World War II. I must stress the point that no Skopjan genius has ever dared address: That all, and I repeat ALL, population statistics of the last years of Ottoman rule for the vilayets of Macedonia mention Greeks, Turks, Bulgarians, Serbians, Jews, gypsies - but not a single “Macedonian”. Until 1914, the concepts of “Macedonia” as a Slav state and of “The Macedonian race” as a separate nationality were absolutely unrecognised. Neither the Treaty of Berlin, nor the Treaty of San Stefano make any reference to such concepts. There are no statistics prior to WWII ever mention any “Macedonians” as a distinct nation!!MACEDONIA WAS IS WILL ALWAYS BE GREECE Post reply 11 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
vodenec	17. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 9 2008, 3:38 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 9 2008, 3:38 AM EDT FUCK GAYREECE WE PROOF YOU ARE ETIOPEA BLACK MAN MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA GO IN AFRIKA IEGENEA PROOF ALL GREEK IS ETIOPIA AFRIK PEOPLE MACEDONIA FUCK U Post reply 1 out of 17 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	18. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 9 2008, 5:53 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 9 2008, 5:53 AM EDT THIS IS THE LEVEL OF THE RACISTS FROM FYROM ............. FUCK GAYREECE WE PROOF YOU ARE ETIOPEA BLACK MAN MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIA GO IN AFRIKA IEGENEA PROOF ALL GREEK IS ETIOPIA AFRIK PEOPLE MACEDONIA FUCK U vodenec Post reply 15 out of 17 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
paulosmelas	19. RE: MACEDONIA IS GREECE Oct 9 2008, 6:00 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 9 2008, 6:00 AM EDT NOTE .SOUTH SLAV (yugo-slav) MIGRATION 7-8 th AD.1000 years and more after the MACEDONIANS.COMING FROM THE UKRAINE .NOW WHERE EXACTLY DID THEY PICK UP THE MACEDONIAN DNA REMAINS A MYSTERY THAT ONLY SICK TWISTED MINDS CAN FABRICATE.FYROMIANS YOU SHOULD OF STUDIED HISTORY INSTEAD OF FICTIONAL HISTORICAL REVISIONISM MADE IN THE USSR. Post reply 15 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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