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macedonia vs greece
Aug 13 2007, 5:05 PM EDT
Barack Obama said that Macedonia mustn't use the name "Macedonia" as name of the country. What a hell does he think!? Has he ever read something about Macedonian history? We are not Greeks, we are Macedonians!!!!!! Obviously his wish to win the elections is very big, so he can say anything he wants. Who cares, there are more Greek than Macedonian voters in US, that's why he had to say it. It's not important the fact that somebody is stealing our identity as a nation. Just votes, votes, votes, votes...
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ACottrell |
1. RE: macedonia vs greece
Aug 13 2007, 5:50 PM EDT
"Barack Obama said that Macedonia mustn't use the name "Macedonia" as name of the country. What a hell does he think!? Has he ever read something about Macedonian history? We are not Greeks, we are Macedonians!!!!!! Obviously his wish to win the elections is very big, so he can say anything he wants. Who cares, there are more Greek than Macedonian voters in US, that's why he had to say it. It's not important the fact that somebody is stealing our identity as a nation. Just votes, votes, votes, votes..."I haven't heard this at all about Barack. I do know he referred to the country as "The Republic of Macedonia" rather than "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia ", which most people found very sensitive. 27 out of 233 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: macedonia vs greece
Aug 15 2007, 5:30 PM EDT
"I haven't heard this at all about Barack. I do know he referred to the country as "The Republic of Macedonia" rather than "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia ", which most people found very sensitive. "What about the resolution that he wanted to be declared by the Congress? 28 out of 221 found this valuable. Do you? |
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tanjaz9 |
3. RE: macedonia vs greece
Jan 9 2008, 1:32 AM EST
On August 3, 2007, Senators Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Barack Obama (D-IL), and Olympia Snowe (R-ME) introduced a resolution, S. Res. 300 , calling upon Macedonia to “stop the utilization of materials that violate provisions of the United Nations-brokered Interim Agreement between the FYROM and Greece regarding `hostile activities or propaganda” and “work with the United Nations and Greece to achieve longstanding United States and United Nations policy goals of finding a mutually-acceptable official name for the FYROM.” Greek-Americans lobby Congress to refer to us as 'FYROM.' S. Res. 300 is inaccurate and inappropriate. Act Quickly: call/fax/e-mail/visit your Senator. Educate your Senator on this issue ASAP! http://umdiaspora.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 72 out of 250 found this valuable. Do you? |
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freeromios |
4. RE: macedonia vs greece
Feb 21 2008, 5:48 AM EST
You slavs, are not ethnically Macedonians. You just inhabit one part of what used to be the glorious Northern GREEK kingdom of Macedonia. Your nationality is Bulgarian. Ochrid is the capital of the medieval Bulgarian kingdom. Czar Samuel's palace is there. You speak Bulgarian. You are Orthodox Christians like the Bulgarians. You are traitors of your own nation and full of hatred for all your neighbors (Greek, Serbs, Albanians and even your fellow countrymen, the Bulgarians!!!)You should be ashamed of yourselves!!! You are a disgrace in the eyes of your ancestors!! Czar Samuel's bones are trembling inside his grave!!!! Nationalism in the Balkans can cause only harm and nothng good. You must cease the hostilities aganst Bulgaria and Greece and give equal rights to the Albanians in the Western part of your new state. And you must recognize the fact that you are Bulgarian Slavs who just happen to reside in the Northern part of the once mighty Ancient Greek Macedonian kingdom. That's all. Macedonia, Macedonian heritage and Macedonians were, are and will be Greek. Alexander the Great (that name is Greek and it means the man who deafets other men), Philip the Second (that name is Greek and it means the man who loves horses), Aristotel twe great GREEK philosopher form Macedonia, Democritus the man who created the atomic thoery (atom Greek word the thing that cannot be sliced or cut any further) were all Greeks and ofcourse Macedonians, spoke Greek, wrote in Greek, thought like Greeks, fought like Greeks and lived like the rest of the Greeks. You are a bunch of nationalist, bigot, irredentist, liars and Mr Obama was right when he voted against your dispicable actions in the Senate. 242 out of 359 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: macedonia vs greece
Feb 21 2008, 1:50 PM EST
To all the people in the world who support Barack Obama and to Mr.Obama himself:This is an explanation of what seems to be known in the world as greek history.Here's the thing:In 1913 a little thing called Bucharest Agreement was forced on the MACEDONIAN people.We were robed of 3 parts of our country.The largest part of that land went to the country that calls itself our neighbour.We've learned to live with that.But now,nearly a century later we are being robed of our identity.A name that is rightfully ours,that identifies us is used by greece as a name of their own.The simple truth is that the greek country is actualy affraid that we,MACEDONIANS,will try to regain control of the part of now their country,which is not a bad idea but should be left alone for the moment.So I ask MR.Obama who seems to have a fairly good reason to support the greeks,are you American?Do you know where you're coming from,do you know your heritage?Why do you asume that the people who live in Republic of Macedonia do not know theese things.Once more,we are Macedonians,we live in the Republic of Macedonia,we have always lived here(and by always I mean for over 2500 years)and we are not going anywhere.We are a friendly country that has hostile neighbours,but we will get what is rightfully ours.And to all the greeks out there,give it up,you do not have the right to use the name MAKEDONIA,you lost the battle,it's done.Stick to your history and stop stealing ours.GO MAKEDONIJA
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freeromios |
6. RE: macedonia vs greece
Feb 21 2008, 4:22 PM EST
@ makedonija:You don't even spell the name correctly. You answered nothing to the arguments mentioned in my above message. All the Obama supporters, people who support freedom and democracy (these ideas are GREEK Inventions by the way you bigot) understand where you and your fellow so called "Macedonians" irredentists come from. We, the peace loving, Democrats of this planet recognize your human right to express and selg determine your person. You may call yourself Macedonian or Martian or ET the extraterrestrial or Saka Zulu or Vangelis or whatever. We don't care. Your state is a legal entity. Something like a corporation let's say. Corporations have no HUMAN RIGHTS. They are not human. They have legal rights. And we the stakeholders of the Greek State and our State Greece has the copyright of the name. Macedonia was is and will be forever Greek. Face it. Our State is right your State is wrong. Furthermore we are a democracy, you are a fascist irredentist communist regime offspring. The Democrat Party and Mr. Obama has nothing to do with the likes of you. Go Obama. Go Hellas. 191 out of 284 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: macedonia vs greece
Feb 21 2008, 8:56 PM EST
"@ makedonija:I am so sick of hearing Macedonian's are Slavs. It would be completly ignorant to believe that the Macedonian's from 2000 years ago and the Macedonians of today are the same. There have been wars and conquerors that have passed through the Balkans for many many years and it's possible Macedonians have some Slavic mix but if we belive this possibility then we also have to accept the idea that the Greeks of today are not the same as those of 2000 years ago. The original Greeks were with light hair and skin. So it's possible that todays Greeks are mixed with Turkish or even African blood. Why are we living in the past? All arguments on both sides are based on history like Alexander the Great, the creation of Democracy, coins with this or that kind of writing, ancient artifacts. Let's stick to the present. Macedonia and Macedonians do exist and they are different from Greeks. 105 out of 274 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: macedonia vs greece
Feb 22 2008, 5:57 AM EST
You are Slavs whether you like it or not. And most of us Modern Greeks are descendents of ancient Greeks whether you like it or not. That's the TRUTH of GOD whether you like it or not.There is nothing we or you can do about the facts of life. Just accept reality. You call yourselves Macedonians. Ok I call myself Macedonian since I am a Macedonian and ofcourse I call myself Greek since I am Greek. Who is Macedonian then? You or I ? Or are we both? And how come you are macedonian but not Greek, since all the Macedonians I know of are Greek and all the ancient macedonians were also Greeks? Do you or don't you speak a Bulgarian dialect? DO you or don't you have the exact same culture, customs and traditions with your Bulgaian neighbors? When a Bulgarian speaks I cannot undersand his lanuage. But you understand EVERY SINGLE WORD he utters!!! What are your "national" differences with rthe Bulgarians. Tell me one. Just one. Before 1944 EVERYONE in the world including your own grandfather and grandmother called you Bulgarians in southern Serbia. ou called yourselves Blgaruians. How come you are not Bulgarians then? When was that "nation" created? I know what I am. I am Greek descended from ancient greeks (who by the way had either slighly dark or light skin complexion and light complexion if you read the ancient Greek historians as Modern Greeks have). You don't know your ancestors. You have rejected your 1500 years old Bulgarian heritage and culture. You have betrayed your ancestors, your country and mainly your own self, in order to embrace a nationalist bigot FASCIST COMMUNIST ideology constructed by Tito who aimed to create problems to his Bulgarian and Greek neighbors. Your way of thought is a fascist remanant of the Cold War. You are a commy relic. Wake up and face facts. Embace Europe and Democracy. As all genuine Obama supporters here in EU and in the USA ought to. 183 out of 268 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: macedonia vs greece
Feb 22 2008, 1:13 PM EST
It appears I've struck a nerve when I suggested that you could be of Turkish decent. I know who I am. I am Macedonian. I am not Bulgarian, nor am I Greek. As for Bulgarians I don't understand what they say. There are only words that i can pick up here and there. But I can also say the same thing about the Serbian, Bosnian, Croatrion, Slovenian, and even Russian languages. Why don't you suggest that I am Serbian or Russian for that matter? Because that is not part of the propoganda that was agreed upon with the Bulgarians and Greeks in the treaty where Macedonian was butchered apart. The ideas of nations or countries is a new idea, thousands of years ago there were kingdoms and those kingdoms conquered terretories. At one point Rome ruled the world, then Spain, then England and now US. The ideas of countries or nations came about recently. Before WW2 every territory was up for grabs but after WW2 the lines were drawn and now it's a little more difficult to take land that doesn't belong to them. I know what you're afraid of. YOu are scared the truth will be learned about the Greeks and the tactics they used to push Macedonians out of Solun or Thesoluniki. The Greeks committed genocide much the same way the Nazis did but unfortunately for us the eye of the media was not that advanced in the early 1900's. In order to perserve the idea of Greek Macedonia and it's history, they killed Macedonians, they changed writting on graves and buildings that were written in Macedonian. I have family that comes from Macedonia that is in Greece and there's nothing you can say to convince me of that never occuring.
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10. RE: macedonia vs greece
Feb 26 2008, 12:15 PM EST
"You slavs, are not ethnically Macedonians. You just inhabit one part of what used to be the glorious Northern GREEK kingdom of Macedonia. Your nationality is Bulgarian. Ochrid is the capital of the medieval Bulgarian kingdom. Czar Samuel's palace is there. You speak Bulgarian. You are Orthodox Christians like the Bulgarians. You are traitors of your own nation and full of hatred for all your neighbors (Greek, Serbs, Albanians and even your fellow countrymen, the Bulgarians!!!)Hey Buddy. why don't you just take your VILE TURKISH ASS AND FUCK OFF!!! Stop preaching hatred! You mention "full of hatred for all your neighbors (Greek, Serbs, Albanians and even your fellow countrymen, the Bulgarians!!!) You should be ashamed of yourselves!!! You are a disgrace in the eyes of your ancestors!!" GUESS WHAT. THE GREEKS ARE HATED BY ALL OF THEIR NEIGHBOURS TOO!! 78 out of 218 found this valuable. Do you? |
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freeromios |
11. RE: macedonia vs greece
Feb 26 2008, 1:21 PM EST
My father's island Cephalonia was NEVER under Turkish occupation you Bulgarian Satanist!!!Traitor in the eyes of your Bulgarian keensmen and in the eyes of God!!! Repent!! You deidgrace yourslef and your ancestors. You try to fool people, you deceive them with treacherous lies!! Everyone in the Balkans know how the Communist Tito regime brainwashed you and your parents into thinking that you are a separate nation and not Bulgarians. Everyone in the Balkans, even the Turks who by majority think that they must be the Greeks' eternal enemies, knows who you people really are. Except you. The tragedy of the Big Brother Tito Regime. They turned you into something else than you really are. Study some history brother. Otherwise you will never learn the truth about yourself. The bones of your ancestors are trembling in their graves. Macedonian "nation" my ass... A bunch of illiterate Bulgarians who hate everyone around them... 126 out of 199 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. Greece and The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)
Feb 26 2008, 2:43 PM EST
The deliberate and systematic campaign of distortion, stealing and absorption of the history and ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians (An ancient Greek tribe) has intensified and is ongoing today with full and untiring strength. Although officially this country is known as The FYROM, through a vigorous campaign they have managed to contrive the world to call it “Macedonia” in common day usage disregarding UN resolutions. The Internet and mass-communications have made it easy for them to do this and they have used these tools to create a flood of misinformation. THIS THREAD IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THIS. NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMA! Now, fifty-eight years after the start of the campaign of distortion started by Tito, stealing and absorption of the HELLENIC history and ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians, we find that the inhabitants of The FYROM are mostly the children of 1944 and those that were born afterwards and who grew up with these untruths. To them these have become facts. All you so-called "Macedonians should visit Pella, the capital of the Ancient Kingdom of Macedonia in Northern Greece and take a Greek dictionary with you so that you can understand what's written on the artefacts.127 out of 193 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: Greece and The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)
Feb 26 2008, 6:57 PM EST
I can't believe that the Macedonians are being accused of propoganda! I guess the best defence is offence. Attack and play like you are the victim. If you haven't had a chance, go to youtube and take a look at all of the videos that are posted by Greeks. Instead of Greeks trying to promote their country and Greece, most of the videos are political propaganda against Macedonia. How would you react to constant attacks that your country, culture, nationality doesn't exist? If Macedonia is Greece then why was their a need for a secret treaty between Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece to divide up Macedonia. If Macedonia was really Greece, wouldn't the people want to go with their own country? If it was Greece, wouldn't Greece fight and try to gain it's land back? The reality is, this was the end of a war and the reward was land that didn't belong to them.
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14. RE: Greece and The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)
Feb 27 2008, 5:21 AM EST
The area of FYROM was never officially called "Macedonia" before the 2nd World War. This name was officially given to the Southern Yugoslavian province by General Tito aiming to create conflict in the region and to obtain Greek and Bulgarian territories. Before the 2nd World War FYROM was oficially called Vardarska. Over the centuries the GEOGRAPHICAL REGION of Macedonia (NOT King Philip's ANCIENT KINGDOM OF MACEDONIA) had become a multicultural region. Historical references mention Greeks, Bulgarians, Turks, Albanians, Gypsies, Jews and Vlachs. Eventually, in the 20th century, 'Bulgarians' came to be understood as synonymous with 'Macedonian Slavs' and, eventually, 'ethnic Macedonians'. Krste Misirkov, a philologist and publicist, mostly known for his work "On the Macedonian Matters", heralded by Macedonians as one of the “founders of the Macedonian nation”, stated: “Some will ask why I speak of breaking away from the Bulgarians when in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians and when it is generally accepted that unification creates strength, and not separation.” “And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?” Greece acquired 51% of GEOGRAPHICAL MACEDONIA in 1913 (90% of the ANCIENT KINGDOM OF MACEDONIA) as a result of the treaty of Bucharest. International treaties are not illegal. Furthermore Greece in 1913 was not a powerful country to acquire any land it desired. This land was "given" to Greece because it historically belonged to Greece and its residents were Greek. 132 out of 206 found this valuable. Do you? |
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15. RE: Greece and The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)
Mar 3 2008, 6:25 AM EST
I am proud that the people from FYROM want to be named "Macedonians" because of the glorious history of Macedonia but unfortunately for them they are not.Ancient Macedonia only covered about 10% of what is now FYROM and 80% what is Macedonia in Greece, so you have no right to inherit that name. If you want to find your identity as a nation look elsewhere, and if you knew anything about history you would... If you had any relation to Alexander the great then you would be speaking the greek language... if you had any relation to ancient Macedonia you would be speaking greek... Find another name and another flag and another national identity for your country. Perhaps something closer to Albania since you have many ethnic Albanians... This way you may not loose your northern/west part in a few years to come... because you ought to know that if you want the support of the USA then what is happening to Serbia and the province of KOSOVO will happen to your area of Tetovo too... 92 out of 170 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: macedonia vs greece
Mar 4 2008, 9:53 PM EST
By the way how you are writing and what kind of offensive words you are using, I am wondering what kind of democracy are you preaching... Democracy of hatred, Democracy of Homophobes, Democracy of evil power, I am wondering WHAT ARE YOU? ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT AND YOU LIVE IN EUROPE? Last time I checked the evolution of Democracy does not preach hatred or impose homophobic politics? If you are so called Democrat why don't you go back and read litlle bit of the fundamentals of Democracy. My coment will not serve to offend you (as you are offending with low life comments every person who aknowledge him/her self as MACEDONIAN) but I recommend you to visit the psychiatric office and check if everything is alright with you. I strongly worry about you, since you show symptoms of mentaly sick person. It would be easier for you and for your nation (wherever you are coming from) to treat that Homophobic feelings and the hatred that you are filled with. DEAL WITH THE REALITY, MACEDONIA EXISTS AND NO OBAMA, HUSEIN, JORGO, MORGO or whoever, does not have the right to deny long existing civilization and every one that loves that civilization. By now I beleive that you have learned what civilization is that. It's name is MACEDONIA and it belongs to the Macedonians. You can deny as long as you want and torture yourself with hatred, but there is one thing you can not do, YOU CAN NOT ERASE WHAT IS IN MY HEAD AND HEART. By the way I am Macedonian Vlach, Macedonia is my homeland and I support all the Macedonians to defeat this 21st century hatred you preach.
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freeromios |
17. RE: macedonia vs greece
Mar 5 2008, 3:27 AM EST
Anmarina since you are a Vlach you speak Latin the language the ancient Romans brousht to the Balkans. We the Greeks and you the Vlachs called ourselves Romans for thousands of years since our great great grandfathers were citizens of the glorious Eastern Roman Empire.We called ourselves Romios (Roman in modern Greek) you called yourselves Aromani (Roman in Latin Vlach dialect). We are one of a kind. We are the same. We have same cultural values and the same Orthodox Christian religion. I can not comprehend the fact that you, a Vlach, have adopted the Communist Tito propaganda of the existense of a so called Macedonian "nation". Of course there is a Macedonia. The ancient Northern Greek Kingdom that became a Roman province and then an Eastern Roman (Byzantine as the Westerners call us) thema and then a Ottoman province and then a free Greek province again. There is a small part of that kingdom in what Tito erroneously called Macedonian state. You happen to live there. The people around you, bought Tito's lie, and became the enemies of their Greek brothers of the south. They may be Bulgarian, you are Vlach , I am a Greek, but we are brothers. We have lived in one State, in one Empire, under one flag, worshipping the same God, having the same ideal, eating the same food for a thousand years. How come we are enemies then? In what way you are different from us? A separate nation? We are Romioi you are Aromani. We are Eastern Romans, you are Easten Romans. We are brothers. The Americans are together for 200 years. And they are a single nation. Listen to Mr Obama. There is no Latino America, no black America, no white America. There is only the United States of America. And I say to you AnaMarina: There is no Macedonian nation. There are no boundaries for the Vlachs, Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Albanians, Croats, Romanians and Turks who reside in the Balkans. There is only our common Roman heritage. 61 out of 143 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: macedonia vs greece
Mar 5 2008, 1:29 PM EST
if you are NOT from the province of macedonia you are not greek. heres a really good indication if you still dont get it.. if you do NOT speak the greek language then you are NOT greek, its that simple slavs are not greek. 103 out of 153 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: macedonia vs greece
Mar 5 2008, 3:01 PM EST
I dont know how much will the world stay blind!! NONE has heard about 1913 when Makedonia was divided!! OR they say that they liberated it from the Ottoman empire and they kept the land as a prize!! This question should be closed!!Makedonia is the winner not Greece!! And those gypsies tell us who we are!! GO BACK TO asia where you belong HELL_ASS people!!Makedonia to the Makedonians! OBAMA SHOW SOME RESPECT!! 85 out of 195 found this valuable. Do you? |